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Realm of Fiery Doom · Jun 23, 2007, 03:43 PM // 15:43

I think all other Fire Magic AoE spells at target foe's location have a 30s recharge time.

[skill]Breath Of Fire[/skill][skill]Fire Storm[/skill][skill]Searing Heat[/skill][skill]Teinai's Heat[/skill]

Except for Savannah Heat

[skill]Savannah Heat[/skill]

So I suggest that Savannah Heat gets an extra 5s recharge time to increase its synergy with the other Fire Magic AoE spells at target foe's location, but to offset this, increase the damage done at each attribute rank by 1 or 2, resulting in 15 or 30 more damage assuming the mob stays in the AoE for the full duration.

Any other thoughts and opinions on this?

Series · Jun 23, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

See the gold border around savannah heat? Not just there for decoration.

Puebert · Jun 23, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Savannah heat is also elite, which none of the others are.

And if I remember right, it used to have a 20 second recharge.

I like it the way it is/was, no nerf plz.

Aera · Jun 23, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

It's not imba. You can walk out of it. Leave it the way it is...

HawkofStorms · Jun 23, 2007, 05:29 PM // 17:29

/notsigned

SH is an elite.

Oddly enough... this guy wants it the skill nerfed for... synergy. You realize that you can't cast those 5 fire skills at once right? Cast one of the other ones first, followed immidately by SH. The casting time will cause them to both be recharged around the same time.

MithranArkanere · Jun 23, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Just in case you haven't figered it yet...

Savannah Heat is an ELITE spell.

It could have 15 or 20 recharge and will not be imbalanced, since is awesomelly easy getting out of AoEs unless they cripple you.

the Puppeteer · Jun 23, 2007, 09:42 PM // 21:42

30 sec.? no way

Stormlord Alex · Jun 23, 2007, 09:47 PM // 21:47

What? And push people ever more towards SF? No ty.

If anything... all the ticking AoEs in the ele lines need their recharges slashed to be more viable.

Except for Eruption... that spell is haXx.

Obey The Cat · Jun 23, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02

20 seconds would be great (with 10 energy)

Gregslot · Jun 24, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

I consider it good as it is... 5 seconds wont change everyones life... considering this is an ELITE skill.
We could compare it to Searing Heat and make it more porwerful, like reducing the recharge to 20 secs

arcanemacabre · Jun 24, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by Obey The Cat

20 seconds would be great (with 10 energy)

I'd be all for this, definitely. Lower recharge FTW

Realm of Fiery Doom · Jun 24, 2007, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

/notsigned

SH is an elite.

Oddly enough... this guy wants it the skill nerfed for... synergy. You realize that you can't cast those 5 fire skills at once right? Cast one of the other ones first, followed immidately by SH. The casting time will cause them to both be recharged around the same time.

And yet if you cast SH first and then the other skill again the second time round, then SH will recharge around 5 seconds earlier. If you continue casting each of the spells as soon as they have recharged, you start getting a lag between one spell and the next.

Or, if you cast the other skill again and then SH the second time round, SH would always recharge 5s earlier than needed. I'd rather have the extra damage, because you won't be able to cast SH as soon at it's 25s recharge time is up if you want to cast it second, as you're still waiting for the other skill to recharge because you want to cast that one first.

Let's have a diagram.

SH=Savannah Heat
OS= Other Spell
**s = ** seconds waiting time

What I want = SH-OS-28s-SH-OS-28s-SH-OS-28s-SH-OS-28s-SH-OS
(Nice, concentrated firepower every 30s)

What it currently is = SH-OS-23s-SH-5s-OS-18s-SH-10s-OS-13s-SH-15s-OS
(Random spells being blasted off ineffectively by themselves. No synergy between them at all.)

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

/notsigned

SH is an elite.

Oddly enough... this guy wants it the skill nerfed for... synergy. You realize that you can't cast those 5 fire skills at once right? Cast one of the other ones first, followed immidately by SH. The casting time will cause them to both be recharged around the same time.

You're contradicting yourself, HawkofStorms. What are you going to do when both of the skills recharge at around the same time? Cast them both at the same time?

And as for the people saying that it's Elite as if that explains everything, that still doesn't mean it synergises with the other spells. If this is the only AoE at target foe's location you are using on your skillbar that's fine then, but it would be pretty stupid wasting your elite on a nuker spell if you're not even a nuker. In my humble opinion, even if it was used by itself 5s is too little to make a real difference, yet it's enough to disrupt what would otherwise be a nice clean nuking chain.

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See the gold border around savannah heat? Not just there for decoration.

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Savannah heat is also elite, which none of the others are.

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SH is an elite.

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Just in case you haven't figered it yet...

Savannah Heat is an ELITE spell.

Thank you all, mildly insulting, rather pompous people. Does it being "ZOMFG ELITE!!1!1" have to do anything with being allowed to break what would otherwise be a nice clean skill chain? Can you explain why this 5s less recharge time is necessary on an !!!ELITE!!! spell? How much does it actually help?

Also, MithranArkanere, SH, SH and TH all only last 5s and affect all nearby foes, which already is pretty good. Coupled with a Frozen Burst or even Ice Spikes if you get a good hit would easily keep them there for the whole duration of the SH/SH/TH.

[skill]Frozen Burst[/skill][skill]Ice Spikes[/skill]

Also, for everyone shouting that I'm trying to nerf it, I'm actually trying to buff it or keep the dps the same. In every 150 seconds, assuming you cast it whenever possible and assuming they only take the first damage packet, at 0 Fire Magic (for simplicity):

My way = 5 castings times x 6/7 damage = 30/35 damage every 150s.
Current way = 6 casting times x 5 damage = 30 damage every 150s.

If they take all packets:

My way = 5 castings times x (15 x 6/7 damage) = 450/525 damage every 150s.
Current way = 6 casting times x (15 x 5 damage) = 450 damage every 150s.

But, even if you keep it equal it's not a waste of time because you can rack up some pretty impressive skill chains, like SH+SF+TH. And the difference here is that, when you've waited 26s, they recharge exactly when you finish casting the spell before it, so it's synergised.
Nothing fiddly about it. It's simple but still deadly.

Artdeux · Jun 24, 2007, 09:20 AM // 09:20

Here's the solution.

Wait an extra 5 seconds after it recharges.

Realm of Fiery Doom · Jun 24, 2007, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by Artdeux

Here's the solution.

Wait an extra 5 seconds after it recharges.

But then the extra 5 seconds wouldn't be useful, and so I'd rather just have the extra damage.

Div · Jun 24, 2007, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Just in case you haven't figered it yet...

Savannah Heat is an ELITE spell.

It could have 15 or 20 recharge and will not be imbalanced, since is awesomelly easy getting out of AoEs unless they cripple you.

Um, it'd be really imbal if SH is on a 15 second recharge. Apparently you weren't around for the 2 sin-2 SH-1 water-3 monk HA meta...

But I agree that it should just stay as 25 recharge...making it 30 just to line up with other skills is pretty stupid. Having it at 25 just means for every 5 times you cast Searing Heat, you can cast Savannah Heat 6 times.

glountz · Jun 24, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Ask for the other way around. Ask Teinai heat (any spell in this kind) to recharge in 15, 20 or 25, even at the cost of an increased casting cost/speed.
DoTAoE are too easily avoidable anyway.

Anyway realm, the way you replied to all the comments people made to your proposal was trollish.

Eskape Artist · Jun 24, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by Realm of Fiery Doom

But then the extra 5 seconds wouldn't be useful, and so I'd rather just have the extra damage.

Your logic is ridiculous. "Increase the recharge time so I'm not forced to cast this spell earlier and deal MORE DAMAGE with it." But if you wanted to up the base damage of the spell to balance it out, I could understand where you're coming from.

I always thought SH's recharge should be lower.

ShadowsRequiem · Jun 24, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

ahhh awesome stupid pointless threads.... gotta love them.

If you want to cast them all at the same time, why not wait? and save these stupid threads.

I like the I WANT IT LIKE THIS ME ME ME ME ME ME ME point of view its really working for you.

Thomas.knbk · Jun 24, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Realm of Fiery Doom

Let's have a diagram.

SH=Savannah Heat
OS= Other Spell
**s = ** seconds waiting time

What I want = SH-OS-28s-SH-OS-28s-SH-OS-28s-SH-OS-28s-SH-OS
(Nice, concentrated firepower every 30s)

What it currently is = SH-OS-23s-SH-5s-OS-18s-SH-10s-OS-13s-SH-15s-OS
(Random spells being blasted off ineffectively by themselves. No synergy between them at all.)

You realise you don't actually HAVE to cast it on recharge right? If you want concentrated firepower every 30 seconds, you could always wait 10 seconds after it recharges. If you're somehow incapable of doing that, then lol ur bad.

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Originally Posted by Realm of Fiery Doom

But then the extra 5 seconds wouldn't be useful, and so I'd rather just have the extra damage.

I don't really see how adding 10 seconds to the recharge would make them useful. Besides, if your bar is packed with DoTAoE skills, ur bad. Bring some utility and in addition to noticing your team not die the 10 seconds will not be useless.
Long recharge skills are not the best concept there is anyway. It's better to have skills on a low recharge with some other means to prevent people from spamming them, like exhaustion or a high coast, as long as balance allows it. I think SH was a better skill when it had a 5 second recharge and a higher coast. God knows why no one used it back then.

Realm of Fiery Doom · Jun 25, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Ok, I get all these people saying that I should just wait after the recharge. I'm just saying, if I'm not going to use the recharge, why can't I just get the extra damage? If it was +1 damage, then the dps would be the same, and I save 2 seconds casting time and 5 energy every 2 and a half minutes. Is this going to affect anything massively?

Also, I'm not saying the extra recharge will make it useful, I'm saying that the extra damage will keep the dps the same whilst making the recharge time synchronise with the others, which makes it useful. So, for example, I can cast SavannahH and BoF every 30s at around the same time for as long as I want, without having to either cast SH earlier, then wait 3s, then cast BoF, then have a 8s lag between the two spells the nice time, then 13s, and so on, or casting it every 30s, wasting the extra recharge time which could have been converted into more damage.

But holymasamune, everytime you cast SH 6 times, I can get the same damage with only 5 castings. Or do you like casting it for fun?

Glountz, your idea is good as well - changing the recharge time of all DoTAoE at target foe's location to 25s would work as well, although I don't really want to affect so many spells in one go. And sorry if you think I'm trollish - it's just my style, I guess

Eskape Artist, yes, I want to up the damage as well to balance the skill out. I'm actually buffing this skill ever so slightly, saving you 2s of casting time and 5 energy every 2 and a half minutes.

ShadowsRequiem, thank you for showing how much you care about other people by taking the "IT'S NOT ABOUT ME SO I DON'T CARE" approach. It's working reeaaally well with me. Not. But then I suppose you don't care about me anyway, only about things that affect YOU.

Thomas.knbk, yes I know I don't have to cast on recharge but them I'm just wasting the earlier recharge time, which might have well been turned into more damage. It's not the extra recharge time that's useful, it's the fact that it synchronises the recharge times and allows one to cast those spells in a spike without having to waste any of the recharge time that's useful. The dps is still the same; it's the synchronisation that matters. Thanks for saying that my bar is bad if it's packed with DoTAoE spells, but that's your opinion and not mine. Also, in MY opinion which you don't really have to bother reading anyway, I prefer skills with a moderately long recharge time; they're usually fairly powerful and can be used when you encounter enemies, and you can pick up drops and walk to the next group of enemies during the recharge time, so you get lots of damage when you need it, and none at all when you don't need it.